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#21 Shan

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Posted 10 March 2010 - 09:24 PM

Nice.

Also found this site....they already have one made up for the 240z.  Will suss out how much they charge for it.

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Posted 10 March 2010 - 09:36 PM

Oops.

Forgot the link - http://www.ezpowerst...dex.php?lang=uk


And another.....$900+ US tho!

http://www.unisteer....ERFELECTRASTEER

#23 Shan

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Posted 11 March 2010 - 08:45 AM

Also got this response from another mob.  They provide the ECU kit (which provides information to column for correct steering feedback) along with the electric steering column (they do Suzuki AND Corsa).  $250euro.

"Hi,
I'm afraid I do not do any fitting kits for cars. I can provide you with a
column & controller kit which consists of an opel corsa or suzuki wagon R
column, all pre-wired to my EPS controller and all wiring you need to do is
connect 2 wires to the battery and 1 wire to the ignition switch. I sell
these kits for 250 euro plus postage.
However, you would need to do the mechanical fitting yourself.
The only people I know who do the full fitting kits only do them for VW
campervans and Ford escort Mk2 cars.
For basic photos of the columns see the link below:
http://www.rallywiz...._ECU_photos.htm
Regards,
Don Giles.
www.rallywiz.com"

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Posted 11 March 2010 - 11:08 AM

My understanding is that this sort of set up is only for very light vehicles. Zeds have heavy steering as we all know so I don't reckon you will find anything that will do the job properly. Subi rack all the way. :D

#25 Shan

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Posted 11 March 2010 - 01:20 PM

I understand where you are coming from, however it appears that a few Zeds have this electronic kit.  That subi conversion look like a right pain in the "you know what" of a job.  Lot's of machining and work to get it all happening.  Not to mention crossmember modification I am not real keen ok.

http://www.unisteer....ERFELECTRASTEER

I checked the manual for this particular product and it is rated for cars up to 1200kg.  The Zed 2+2 is a little under that weight I believe.  Considering it is a USA product made for hotrods - which I am assuming have larger block heavy style engines hanging out front, you would think it would be designed to handle heavy steering load yeah?

More research I reckon.....that guys on hybrid Z seems to have his fitted and works well....



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Posted 11 March 2010 - 01:38 PM

On a slightly cynical note....Why do the Zeds need the power steering?

Mine has always been significantly lighter than previous cars that I have driven (pre 1980's) and even when compared with the modern cars I drive (Renault Cleo Sport, Alfa 147, Alfa 156) has never been a problem.

Need the exercise anyway :-)



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Posted 11 March 2010 - 02:06 PM

On a slightly cynical note....Why do the Zeds need the power steering?

Mine has always been significantly lighter than previous cars that I have driven (pre 1980's) and even when compared with the modern cars I drive (Renault Cleo Sport, Alfa 147, Alfa 156) has never been a problem.

Need the exercise anyway :-)


I tend to agree. The only exception is that I compete in motorkhanas and good power steering is an advantage there. Otherwise I have no power steering on my S30 and it is fine for track work and driving on the street.....But then again I have reasonable upper body strength. I guess there are people out there built like one of those inflatable men you see promoting car yards etc :)

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Posted 11 March 2010 - 02:11 PM

Lower the car, adjust the camber/castor and put some wide tyres on and it get's heavy. Oh and a V8 up front doesn't help either.  ;)

#29 Shan

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Posted 11 March 2010 - 04:16 PM

Well I do want to lower my car - add larger wheels and...eventually...install a V8.  Oh yes.  ;D

Regardless of what I do later - I would still like to try this electrical steering now tho. 

BTW - Of topic, but I thought the SB Chevs (common Z V8 conversion) were pretty similar weight to the L series 6 anyway??  Installing one should not increase weight and steering too much should it?  Would be interested getting info on that...

Anyway - for those who do not understand the need for assisted steering....they have never had to listen to my girl friend complaining.  Ease up!  :P


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Posted 11 March 2010 - 05:31 PM

The MX5 rack so far has still proven to be the easiest and cheapest (I managed to find a rack for $150 somewhere).  But this electric jobby sounds like the ticket to zeds, especially if you have removed almost everything from under the dash (its like having a second boot...).  Now to find a decent setup.

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Posted 18 March 2010 - 12:00 PM

try mazda 2, 3, 6's etc, i have an 2007 2, and it has what looks like a starter motor bolted to the side of the rach where the stering columd shaft enter the rack.
These are rear steer mounted though, ie behind the wheels. worth a look however.
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Posted 18 March 2010 - 01:16 PM

Yes Shan you are correct about the weight of the V8. Not a huge difference. Same as the steering. But like I say, lower it, wide wheels and adjust your castor for better handling and it gets heavy for parking. Cruising the highway is not a problem. But I too want the wife to be able to drive it and my kids some day. So power steering will go in one day.

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Posted 19 March 2010 - 02:40 PM

Just letting you guys know - I appear to be making some progress on this. 

I think someone here (nzeder maybe) has mentioned this before, but apparently there is someone in japan modifying a suzuki electric steering column to suit the Zeds.  Comes as a kit with all the mods/fabrication done.

I have contacted an agent who believes he can get these, so I am waiting for price/ship costs etc.

Will let you know more when I find out.

620z - cheers about the V8 info.  Long term I am considering installing a V8 - although recent advice suggests that it can create a few problems and ongoing vehicle maintenance can be an issue (eg snapped drive shafts etc).  I will be PM'ing at some point for advice about such things if that's ok? Will leave V8 stuff for another post though! 

Cheers.

#34 Shan

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Posted 24 March 2010 - 12:41 PM

Ouch.

Apparently these kits used to be around $1000.00.  According to the supplier I have spoken to, price keeps going up everytime the manufactuer gets new stock in.  Hmmmmm....

He indicated the kits become a more complete/tidier package with each price increase though - so at least that is a positive thing.

No stock at the moment as they are waiting for 2nd hand steering columns to come in.  Suspected price will be $1800.00!!!!

Might be a little steep for my tastes unfortunately. 

Contact details for the supplier/broker that is helping me:

Brian
Z Car Custom's-JDM
Specializing in JDM Performance Products!
www.zccjdm.com
P.O. Box #213
Terrebonne, OR. 97760
541-913-6530
www.azcarbum@msn.com




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Posted 24 March 2010 - 03:27 PM

Hmmmm interesting. $1,000- wouldn't be too bad. If you went a proper rack and cut up the cross member, installed pump etc you would be close to that. Electric would be easier to instal I imagine. But I am still to be convinced it would work on my car.  :-\

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Posted 24 March 2010 - 03:44 PM

Please be more patient with me than I am with others...

I can understand power steering for a girl driving a V8 zed to the shops but doesn't the loss of feel and feedback negate the benefits? 

Even in a v8, lowered, wider tyres I can't imagine trading all information from the front end for lighter inputs. 

I have an old mustang with power steering that's way too light and gives no indication of what is happening at the road and the feedback through the steering in the zed is my favourite thing about it.

OK, finally getting to the point...

Am I wrong to think that these power steering kits will remove all feel?

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Posted 24 March 2010 - 04:00 PM

An electric one? Maybe, a hydraulic one?  I have always had some form of feedback and depending on the system i reckon it still could be really good.

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Posted 24 March 2010 - 10:17 PM

If anyone knows and could speak japanese maybe get in touch with the yahoo seller and get some details maybe even group buy.

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Posted 25 March 2010 - 01:48 PM

If anyone knows and could speak japanese maybe get in touch with the yahoo seller and get some details maybe even group buy.


www.importmonster.com.au

They are a 3rd party Australian company that deals with yahoo auction japan. In the past, they have on my behalf contacted sellers to find out additional information. They have a team of staff who do the correspondence.

Give it a shot and see how it goes.

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Posted 25 March 2010 - 09:54 PM

Would help, but I do not think they are currently on yahoo.jp

The broker I mentioned must be going through someone else.

Had a look on monsterimport (good link that - thnx), no luck though.

Will keep looking and keep everyone in the loop though.....




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