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#41 Kerrigan

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Posted 11 April 2014 - 02:42 AM

In all fairness, I've spent considerable time searching for specific parts for RHD (speedo cable, gauges (amps/fuel), and so on) with little result before I started asking "all over the place" for help on locating these somewhat unique parts.

And also asked a lot about information for this specific automobile, and received many different replies, with conflicting information, from the "experts" ...

All of it is just trying to find out the history of this car, and some parts.

Not asking people to do my research for me, just asking for information people ALREADY HAVE AT HAND.

And I look at all the images (BING comes up with a raft of them) and followed those links, which are often times duplicates with the same information but sometimes productive.

Latest example of what's wrong with the parts searching:  found a "genuine Nikki 240Z fuel pump in new condition" .. from a known seller in the Far East.  What I received finally was a pump for a B210 or something other than a 240Z or FairladyZ ... a useless to me $80 piece of metal.  Anyone want to purchase it?  Didn't think so.

I've some other OEM parts which turned out to not work on this car; when I'm done with this project of "refreshing the engine compartment" I'll toss them into the For Sale list and see if anyone needs them for a "normal 240Z".

Wish people wouldn't be so touchy about helping someone who isn't an expert and is just trying to take care of a good car, and learn more about it.

I've not seen a reply with the correct model designation for this car.  Nissan Historical Collection indicates the model code is "S30" rather than one of the other codes ... HU or whatever ...  :-\

I asked because I thought someone might have the "real" answer.



From what I've seen, people aren't "jumping" on you about asking, its the fact you have received the help and advice, but expecting others to do all the donkey work for you. Wishing parts just fall in your lap after asking several z based forums won't create many friends.. doing crap loads of research and maybe looking for actual pictures of what you need so then we know too what specific Z-L part you are after and also maybe the same as our Australian delivered models. I have only seen a few of the JDM Fairlady zed models here and I could see plenty of differences between the models.

If you are worried about sending credit card details online, grab a prepaid type card with a fixed low limit for international purchases... low risk just in case it does happen.



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Posted 11 April 2014 - 07:13 AM

I've not seen a reply with the correct model designation for this car.  Nissan Historical Collection indicates the model code is "S30" rather than one of the other codes ... HU or whatever ...  :-\

I asked because I thought someone might have the "real" answer.


But Kerrigan, this is exactly the type of thing I'm talking about when I refer to the frustration in trying to help you.

You've been a member on the classiczcars.com forum since August 2003. On the classiczcars forum I - and several others - have documented, discussed and argued about the Japanese market models for something over 12 years at least now. I myself have added lost of photos, scans and text containing accurate data about those models. The 1971 Fairlady Z-L is one of them. I own a 1970 Fairlady Z-L myself, so I had a greater incentive to find out more about such cars and - particularly in the case of one or two USA-based "experts" who see them as "irrelevant" - to defend them as significant variants that are a key part of S30-series Z history. Katsuhiko 'Kats' Endo is another who has added valuable information to the forum, in particular period data from Nissan Shatai ( the company which actually built these cars ).

So why haven't you picked up the correct factory model designation of your car from those discussions? The factory build codes are something I feel like I've written out a thousand times on various forums, so what's the big mystery? I know for a fact that you have participated on some of the very threads where such topics have been discussed in depth...

The basic model code of your car is - simply - 'S30'. In factory parlance it was variously nicknamed the 'Deluxe' and/or the 'Dx'. On factory parts lists it is sometimes called the 'D' model, or 'Z-Dx'. It shared the 'S30' chassis number / body serial number sequence with the 'S30-S' model 'Fairlady Z', a cheaper - no frills - model that came without hubcaps, bumper rubber trims, carpets ( it had rubber mats ) and even without a clock. This 'Fairlady Z' model was nicknamed 'Z-Standard', and 'Zs', 'S' or 'Z-Std' depending on which factory publication you refer to. And as the 'Std' and 'Deluxe' models shared that 'S30' prefixed body serial number sequence, there's no way of telling whether a particular car is a 'Std' or a 'Deluxe' just by looking at the chassis number. So, for example, a car with a theoretical chassis number of 'S30-00023' could be either a 'Deluxe' Fairlady Z-L with all the bells and whistles, or a basic 'poverty' spec 'Standard' Fairlady Z with a 4-speed. It gets a little more complicated after that:

Now, there were suffixes to these basic model codes, and these suffixes - mostly used by the factory and the dealers - identified particular sub-variants. For example, a Fairlady Z-L equipped with an automatic transmission would be coded 'S30-A' and a Fairlady Z with an automatic transmission would be coded 'S30-SA'. A Fairlady Z-L equipped with an automatic transmission and prepped for 'Regular' gasoline ( as opposed to High Octane ) would be coded 'S30-AN', and a Fairlady Z with automatic transmission and prepped for Regular gas would be coded 'S30-SAN'.

However, these suffixes were only noted on the factory paperwork and the dealer's paperwork. They were not noted anywhere on the car ( although there were clues to them... ) and you will have to piece together the original spec of the car ( and therefore the applicable 'Shashu Kigo / Shanai Kigo' ) from the evidence presented on the car itself. With a 1971 Fairlady Z-L that's actually fairly easy:

Take a peep at the attached scan. It's a official list of Nissan's S30-series Z models as of October 1971, when the L24-engined models ( with HS30 prefixes ) were introduced and sold alongside the previously available L20A and S20-engined variants, giving a prospective buyer no less than 20 variants to choose from, all of which could be up-specced from a fairly comprehensive list of dealer options and official 'Sports' option parts.

The third column contains numbers that - to Nissan at least - identified the sub-variants properly. These numbers are the 'Ruibetsu Kubun Bango' for each sub-variant. If you can pin your car down to one of these then you have your answer. As I'm guessing it came with a 5-speed trans, it's either an S30, S30-C, S30-N or S30-CN. If it had factory aircon it's an S30-C, if it had Regular gas prep it was an S30-N, if aircon AND regular gas it's an S30-CN. If none of the above then it's a 'normal' S30 code Fairlady Z-L. 

If any specific questions, fire away...           

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Posted 11 April 2014 - 09:14 AM

Thank you for the well-thought out and comprehensive writeup.  I appreciate it.

I have been reading all the information I've run into on the internet; as you indicated, a lot of different variations on a common theme when Nissan built the Z.  Spent many many hours posting and looking.

Your post is the first which seems logically presented and the facts fit what I've come to learn about this Z.  You actually have more information than the contacts I made at Nissan USA and Nissan Japan.

My knowledge of Z cars is limited, pretty much to this car and it's variants.  Someone said the dates on the wiring harness tags are a good indication of the build date window ... didn't know that ...

For one, I had no idea there were so many variations.  It's been very educational.  Was surprised to see in the Heritage Collection in 1977 the Fairlady Z-T with the L20E V-6 OHC 1998cc engine and a 5-speed on the floor.  Like to have THAT Z ....

Again, thank you.

Now I have the answers and don't need to ask the questions again.



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Posted 11 April 2014 - 10:00 AM


L20E V-6 OHC 1998cc engine




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Posted 11 April 2014 - 06:34 PM

Yes. Just when I thought things were getting better, he does it to me again.....

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Posted 12 April 2014 - 01:38 AM

April 11, 2014


Dear Mr. Kerrigan C. Gray:


Thank you again for your email dated April 11, 2014, concerning your
Nissan Fairlady Z.

With regard to your request, we regret to say that the information on
your vehicle is very limited.

There were 2 types of Fairlady Z in 1971, and they are S30 with L20
engine and PS30 with S20 engine.  The S30 includes 2 classification
types, S and D.  We would like to provide you with the specification
information on S30 and PS30 as attached.  We are unable to translate
Japanese into other languages.

Sincerely yours,


Chikako TAGUCHI
Customer Communication Center
NISSAN MOTOR Co., LTD.


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Posted 12 April 2014 - 08:30 AM

Latest example of what's wrong with the parts searching:  found a "genuine Nikki 240Z fuel pump in new condition" .. from a known seller in the Far East.  What I received finally was a pump for a B210 or something other than a 240Z or FairladyZ ... a useless to me $80 piece of metal.  Anyone want to purchase it?  Didn't think so.


Is it not an L series fuel pump? Some varients of the B210 did come with an L14 or L16 series engine.

I'm sure you would have no probelm selling it to someone with a 510 if it is.

Why not just buy a nissan fuel pump from the USA?
http://www.nissanpar...7010-e4127.html

Are you trying to do a concourse restoration or something?

April 11, 2014


Dear Mr. Kerrigan C. Gray:


Thank you again for your email dated April 11, 2014, concerning your
Nissan Fairlady Z.

With regard to your request, we regret to say that the information on
your vehicle is very limited.

There were 2 types of Fairlady Z in 1971, and they are S30 with L20
engine and PS30 with S20 engine.  The S30 includes 2 classification
types, S and D.  We would like to provide you with the specification
information on S30 and PS30 as attached.  We are unable to translate
Japanese into other languages.

Sincerely yours,


Chikako TAGUCHI
Customer Communication Center
NISSAN MOTOR Co., LTD.


Thats a nice email. At least they had the courtesy to reply to you in your language, which is probably more courtesy that you afforded them?
Yours would be the S30, not the PS30.




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Posted 12 April 2014 - 09:03 AM

Yes, trying to put an original Nikki pump on it for show.  Had one, but it failed so I got a different one which looks really out of place.  Did find a rebuild kit, so we'll see how that goes.

I asked them very nicely, respectfully,  and yes I don't speak or write their language.  That's not a surprise as I'm an English-speaking American.

It is a nice reply; the Japanese are generally very polite culture.

Nice plain ole S30 RHD for JDM, in the LUX model.

We enjoy it; that's what counts.



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Posted 13 April 2014 - 01:25 AM

Turned out the "rebuild kit" only had one of the rubber valves, and no o-rings (which should be easy to pick up.)  I did get an OEM shelf-queen Nikki pump which I think is for a B210 or some car other than a Z.  Looks the same except for the arm and bottom casting which has two mounting holes instead of three.  I'll try to trade it for a Z one, ... or just gut it and see if the parts will rebuild the Nikki off the Z.

These parts for older Z cars are hard to find ... for me anyway.

And thank you to those AusZcar forum people who have helped me with the PMs .. again, thank you!

Revive Jalopy in Japan apparently as blank reproduction ID tags but after they sent me an image of them, I've been unable to re-establish contact to purchase one.

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Posted 15 April 2014 - 01:57 AM

Refurbished/good condition RHD hood latch assembly (body side) RHD speedo cable (not kinked) would be nice to find.

A correct Nikki fuel pump, or rebuild kit.

A headlight/combination switch either in very good condition, or rebuildable.

And a blank ID plate s for 1971 S30 from Revive Jalopy or some other aftermarket restorer ...

I found a lot of Jesse Streeter images but no email contact; it was suggested I contact him for possible ID plate.

Probably should put this in WTB with a WTB heading but here it is already anyway.

to quote Alan T.

Not only have you created duplicate threads but you've not told us what you're after each time....



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Posted 15 April 2014 - 07:56 AM


I found a lot of Jesse Streeter images but no email contact; it was suggested I contact him for possible ID plate.


If you Google jesse streeter the first thing that comes up is his webpage with contact details

http://jessestreeter.com

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Posted 15 April 2014 - 09:54 AM

Like this ID plate?

You tell them what you want and they print / stamp it on?

http://www.ebay.com....33843917&_uhb=1

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Posted 15 April 2014 - 11:06 AM

Like this ID plate?

You tell them what you want and they print / stamp it on?

http://www.ebay.com....33843917&_uhb=1


The typeface on those ID plates is all wrong, so it won't pass for genuine.

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Posted 15 April 2014 - 02:30 PM

hey kerrigan, you should not search for images, instead in google you  choose 'web' that will give you website results (it's right under the area where you type in what to search in the results). you seem to be pretty shit at searching stuff online and using the forum. I suggest watching a few youtube clips on how to use google/search engines as they really help you out. There are things in google that could help you find that rare part from japanese websites like google translation (for yahoo japan searches) etc.


Refurbished/good condition RHD hood latch assembly (body side) RHD speedo cable (not kinked) would be nice to find.

A correct Nikki fuel pump, or rebuild kit.

A headlight/combination switch either in very good condition, or rebuildable.

And a blank ID plate s for 1971 S30 from Revive Jalopy or some other aftermarket restorer ...

I found a lot of Jesse Streeter images but no email contact; it was suggested I contact him for possible ID plate.

Probably should put this in WTB with a WTB heading but here it is already anyway.



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Posted 15 April 2014 - 11:56 PM

That plate doesn't look like the one in JDM RHD Z cars.  Perhaps it was for exports?

The typeface on those ID plates is all wrong, so it won't pass for genuine.



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Posted 16 April 2014 - 12:59 AM

It looks wrong even for export models as Gav said the fonts aren't right, pretty much the same as the North American one.


This is what the JDM one looks like, even though this specific one isnt for a zed:
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Posted 16 April 2014 - 03:59 AM

The correct engine bay 'VIN' plate for Kerrigan's car would look like this:

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Posted 16 April 2014 - 04:19 AM

I'd LOVE to have one of those.  A reproduction without serial numbers would be just fine.

Not heard of anyone making a reproduction of this one are being made.

Is anyone considering making some?  I'll order now ... :-)

The correct engine bay 'VIN' plate for Kerrigan's car would look like this:

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Posted 16 April 2014 - 05:15 AM

I'd LOVE to have one of those.  A reproduction without serial numbers would be just fine.

Not heard of anyone making a reproduction of this one are being made.

Is anyone considering making some?  I'll order now ... :-)


Aaargh! Kerrigan, you will be the death of me.

As I've said what seems like 1000 times already, Nishi san at REVIVE JALOPY in Saitama, Japan is making 100% accurate reproductions of the above 'VIN' tag. If you order it with YOUR chassis number, he will even stamp it up for you. All you have to do is make contact, either directly, or indirectly through the go-betweens already recommended to you.



I got Nishi san to stamp me up an in-joke 'special', using my S30 body serial number on a PS30-prefixed tag. Here's what it looks like:

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Posted 16 April 2014 - 10:07 AM

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Are we just getting trolled?




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