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#41 DreamZproject

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Posted 22 January 2014 - 04:59 PM

Does anyone have this elusive document, I'd like to check it out myself so i can try and find some sort of loophole...
(such as, if any car came with spacers you are allowed to run them!)

EDIT

Ok found it.... doesn't give much away....

Theoretically this should work (Isn't this how 50% of us are getting away with the L28 swap?) to get us to the 10" mark,
but doesn't help at all with tires.

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Posted 22 January 2014 - 05:00 PM

Once again, a darn brickwall with flares...
If i had 8" rims sitting out another inch it would look like a 10" rim with the same offset.

The thing is i want it legal. I know that more than likely noone would ever notice that the combination I have isn't legal,
but if i was to be in an accident for some reason or another, I don't want all the shiver involved with having a car that isn't legal.

As far as i can tell, 15x9 rims on a Z = Illegal.


It would look the same from the side. But from the back it would look substantially skinnier than the 10 inchers.

I know what you mean about being legal and all, but if you are looking at welded hubs/spacers etc your more likely to get your insurance void. Insure your car with someone like shannons or Just car and actually add your wheels onto your policy and you will be OK. I've been involved in a couple of accidents with overly modified cars in the past and they never disputed anything as i had the parts listed on my policy.

The ride height or suspension itself that you would need for the 15x8's to look good with flares would probably be more illegal than the 5mm difference in tyre height.

Many people don't even cut their fenders instead opting to roll the lip or use stiffer springs..maybe you could do that to save you from having to decide now.

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Posted 22 January 2014 - 05:14 PM

Hmmm i think you have it back to front, i want the flared look, but i can't find a legal way to do it with the sort of rims I'm after.
I'll be doing everything by the book so suspension will be all good.
The difference in the tire height is over an inch larger! (on a 135/60r15) This would surely be noticed by any half intelligent cop.
Shame you can't get slightly stretched tires approved by an engineer. Would fix everything...

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Posted 22 January 2014 - 05:22 PM

Your original stock rim/tyre 175/70x14 had an o/all diam of  630mm
A 225/60x15 tyre  will give you  650 mm diam
Any taller or wider than that you will really foul on front lower guard lips, and tops of rear arches,

the flares you have, or want to fit, are how wide?

By using say a neg 13 rim in 9" the rim lip edge will be, on stock hubs, front and back, just at the lip edge of the usual type flares, that everyone fits to the Zeds.
The 225 width tyre is a safe fitment, and at 60 series is tall enough to give a natural look, ie not ricer/stretched.

You will need to get rear guards rolled at arch tops, and the front lower lip on front guards trimmed.
Best of all, dont need any spacers to achieve all this.

How do i know this? I have done this using the 225/60x15 tyre, that is quite road legal, and very readily available.

If you wanted to really push them out further, and that will really stuff the hell out of your King Pin Inclination geometry, yes you could fit longer studs, ie 75 mm, and alloy spacers that ARE attached to your stock hubs, by way of CS machine screw, so that it doesnt come away if the wheel happens to fall off due to a numpty not doing up nuts.

How much are you prepared to spend, on your wheels and tyres?
What wheel style do you like? And other style options?
Why do you want a very tall or overly wide tyre?
Have you driven cars fitted with such, to experience the idiosyncracies of these? ( i have!)


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Posted 22 January 2014 - 06:05 PM

Your original stock rim/tyre 175/70x14 had an o/all diam of  630mm
A 225/60x15 tyre  will give you  650 mm diam
Any taller or wider than that you will really foul on front lower guard lips, and tops of rear arches,


Still unfortunately Illegal (15mm diameter increase max)

If the spacer is attached to the stock hub via some form of grub screw with the longer wheel studs, would it be possible to get engineered?

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Posted 23 January 2014 - 09:57 AM

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Posted 23 January 2014 - 10:31 AM

Thanks decoy can always trust you to step in and sort everything out.

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Posted 23 January 2014 - 03:19 PM

All the answers have been given really and you just don't like them. Most of it is because you don't want to pay what it's worth to do it. No one is going to ping you for 15mm of tyre out of diameter and the short answer is at the end of the day you will just have to make some concessions like the speedo being a bit out to do the cool mods to the car.


Most of the "cool" mods are illegal, fender mirrors, changing indicators larger wider wheels. You just have to decide what you deem as an acceptable risk in terms of legality and what concessions you will make in regard to practicality (speedo, cheap tyres etc).  This has gone the same way as your engine thread "I want an ITB stroker on the cheap".


It may seem like i am being hard on you, but you just need to accept the fact that if it was all easy and cheap to do then there would be heaps of crazy modified Zs around. A lot of this info, actually all of it, can be found from reading existing posts on the forums too.


Even though this is a 300zx diagram it works for S30s too:


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Posted 24 January 2014 - 09:11 AM

I somewhat disagree with that triangle. The 4th thing to consider is time. Cost can be diminished when effort it put in.
That is essentially my work ethic when it comes to this car, and yes, i have to ask a butt ton of questions to make it possible,
but it's not hurting anyone. If you don't want to reply to my posts, I really don't mind. There are some people on here who are
very generous with their time and knowledge and enjoy passing on their wisdom.
Imagine if, somehow, I managed to discover some sort of development through my researching and querying, imagine the benefit
to the community. I don't want a cookie cutter car, and while in general the car will be fairly normal, I don't want to be limited by
naysayers and lack of knowledge. So i ask my questions here, and really appreciate when someone spends the time to sit down
and share their knowledge, is there any harm in that?

Simple solution, if you don't want to reply, you don't. :D

FYI i have once again come to a dead end here, but I am still searching. I have sent an email off to rota to determine what the
chances are of them producing a 16x9 wheel (with neg offset). They might say "That's stupid, we wouldn't sell any", but there is
always a chance that they are already in the development stage of making such a wheel... This is where the effort factor comes in.

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Posted 24 January 2014 - 09:47 AM

Rota can make you any size and offset based off any of their current designs if you buy and pay for 10 pairs (20) of that size upfront. That was what i was told by the Rota manufacturer/rep in Philipines.

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Posted 24 January 2014 - 10:56 AM

I can source you 15x10's in neg 27 offset
Load rated and JIC Standards approved
Replica Watanabe Type R's
If the 15x9's in neg 13 are not fat enough

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Posted 24 January 2014 - 11:12 AM

I can source you 15x10's in neg 27 offset
Load rated and JIC Standards approved
Replica Watanabe Type R's
If the 15x9's in neg 13 are not fat enough


I'm a little confused but from what i gathered i think 'in a nutshell' he is after:

1. Wide 16's in a negative offset. Not 15's/17's
2. A larger, cheaper selection of low profile tyres that are square.
3. Wheels and tyres that won't change his rolling diameter.
4. Must be 100% legal.
5. Wheels must look like Volk te37's/rota grid
6. Wheels must be Cheap.
7. Wheels must be engineerable.
8. Tyres that aren't too tall or flabby
9. Must fill out flares.
10. Or another legal, cheap way to fill out flares (eg. Hub modification, spacer.)

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Posted 24 January 2014 - 11:26 AM

Now this is the sort of information I'm after!

Your 100% right Retro Z, yup i sure am picky!

I wonder if it would be possible to get 9 other people interested!?! Sounds like a tricky one, I'll have to shoot
Rota another message.

*EDIT*

I have seen a few people trow the number 5 around a bit in regards to sets of rims... If this is the case I could nearly
buy the 5 sets for the cost of the Volks and sell them off at my leasure...

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Posted 24 January 2014 - 11:36 AM

Contact Michael or Sam from Rota Australia

.http://www.rotaaustralia.com.au/contact_us.php

Rather than,  Rotawheels.com.au/ Vision R who are just distributor/reseller.

They will correspond with you and the rep in Phillipines. Last time i asked they require payment upfront or a large deposit as the mold costs a lot of money and have a 3 month turn around time.

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Posted 24 January 2014 - 01:15 PM

Op first pist,
"Or Watanabe type R"

And keeping diams close to std, is easier with fat 15" rubber
Original 1970 10" rims were in 14" diam. Tyres no longer avail in that size, hence next diam up.

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Posted 24 January 2014 - 08:13 PM

I'm a little confused but from what i gathered i think 'in a nutshell' he is after:

1. Wide 16's in a negative offset. Not 15's/17's
2. A larger, cheaper selection of low profile tyres that are square.
3. Wheels and tyres that won't change his rolling diameter.
4. Must be 100% legal.
5. Wheels must look like Volk te37's/rota grid
6. Wheels must be Cheap.
7. Wheels must be engineerable.
8. Tyres that aren't too tall or flabby
9. Must fill out flares.
10. Or another legal, cheap way to fill out flares (eg. Hub modification, spacer.)



Not quite he want's skinny (8") 16s that go out to the edge of the flares, so the rims and tyres are cheaper.


I somewhat disagree with that triangle. The 4th thing to consider is time. Cost can be diminished when effort it put in.
That is essentially my work ethic when it comes to this car, and yes, i have to ask a butt ton of questions to make it possible,
but it's not hurting anyone. If you don't want to reply to my posts, I really don't mind. There are some people on here who are
very generous with their time and knowledge and enjoy passing on their wisdom.
Imagine if, somehow, I managed to discover some sort of development through my researching and querying, imagine the benefit
to the community. I don't want a cookie cutter car, and while in general the car will be fairly normal, I don't want to be limited by
naysayers and lack of knowledge. So i ask my questions here, and really appreciate when someone spends the time to sit down
and share their knowledge, is there any harm in that?

Simple solution, if you don't want to reply, you don't. :D

FYI i have once again come to a dead end here, but I am still searching. I have sent an email off to rota to determine what the
chances are of them producing a 16x9 wheel (with neg offset). They might say "That's stupid, we wouldn't sell any", but there is
always a chance that they are already in the development stage of making such a wheel... This is where the effort factor comes in.



I am happy to help people out who have sensible questions and there are plenty examples of that on this forum. You need to bear in mind that 100s of noobs before you have asked the same questions and gotten the same answers.


Time doesn't buy you expensive parts needed to restoration or builds, if that was all it took then there would be tons of mint zeds driving around. Not only will you end up with dish on your rims but the car will drive poorly due to bad scrub radius as mentioned earlier on in the thread. The reason they don't exist in that offset is that it would be bad design. Just save up the extra money and buy TE-37vs like you want or just not flare it and run the 8"s if you are set on 16s.







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Posted 25 January 2014 - 09:46 AM

What you want from a rim is not only illegal due to no one will engineer a rim with that sort of offset.
The car would be dangerous to drive! You would hit a bump and the it would rip the steering wheel from your hand.
I to am flaring my car but I can't afford the 5k in rims that I want at the moment so I bought some xxr rims for the mean time.
There is a reason you can't get the rims you want .
If you want to do it on the cheap just buy some 4 inch spacers and ruin the way your car drives.

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Posted 25 January 2014 - 10:14 AM

As mentioned previously, you're not going to find wheels in 16x8 with an offset of -50, unless it's custom made. That is ridiculous.

Have you actually looked at prices of Volk or Watanabe wheels? You will find that 8-9.5" wide all cost the same (at least for Watanabe wheels they are) and they don't cost $5000+ (set of 5 custom Rota wheels).

You want to run flares and keep everything legal, fair enough, but wouldn't you exceed the maximum allowable track for the Z with wheels which fill out flares?

I think your best bet at this stage is to buy a set of 16x9 and 9.5 Rotas and call it a day because what you're after isn't available/possible (prove me wrong).

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Posted 25 January 2014 - 06:33 PM

All I'm saying is, I'm after the volk TE37 look. If Rota will make up 5 sets for 4k then i keep one of them and sell the other 4 off, not
really that crazy...

I know that noone makes a rim in 8" with -50 offset, juts wondering if there was some way around the spacer laws (ie. welding or
bolting etc etc.) I know now.

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Posted 27 January 2014 - 03:05 PM

Problem solved

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