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#321 Z

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Posted 03 December 2014 - 11:12 PM

Noice, well worth it!

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Posted 04 December 2014 - 05:22 PM

They look stunning, congrats Gav. My late 260z calendar clock is on it's way to Ron now.

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Posted 03 February 2015 - 01:10 PM

So... I may be jumping the gun a little here. But I may have found at least 1 early fender mirror.

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There was actually 3 of them on Yahoo! Auctions recently, but only for left hand side (all 3). 2 of them had the square mirror and 1 had a round mirror (but the stalk looks the same).

I won 1 square mirror and 1 round mirror. I missed out on the other square mirror due to being outbid.  :

These may have been used on a 1969 Bluebird DX (AKA 510).

Here is the round version for reference.
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But if you look here:
http://www.viczcar.c....html#msg156522

You can see I found a square mirror (which didn't have any provisions for the fender loaded spring set up). So I can only assume it wasn't a fender mirror. But it could make a good donor for it's square mirror onto the stalk of the round fender mirror? Has anyone ever removed the mirror from the stalk without damaging the glass? If so how did you do it?

Example of AU market mirrors. (HS30 00404 pictured below)
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More reference photos in this thread.
http://www.viczcar.c....html#msg152638

Once I've got these mirrors in person I'll be able to compare and confirm if they are the same. I have to say this is probably the hardest item to find so far. I actually plan to run the JDM bullet style mirrors most of the time, but at a car show or for a press shot or whatever I'd prefer to fit OEM hubcaps and the AU market fender mirrors.
 



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Posted 03 February 2015 - 03:26 PM

The Nissan Gloria A30 may have also run these fender mirrors.
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See also: http://www.flexnet.c.../kn/1529252803/

Hmm Gloria.........

Which makes me think of these 2 songs.



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Posted 16 February 2015 - 01:11 PM

So received the mirrors today (both left hand side) and they look basically the same apart from the mirror shape itself (the circular 1). My question is has anyone ever removed the glass part from the stalk without damaging the glass?

Looking at the photos of the mystery mirror I bought a while ago, I believe it could be the same stalk angle as the fender mirror I've got, but for the right hand side, lucky!
http://www.viczcar.c....html#msg156522

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But it's missing the fender assembly spring etc.. That's ok because out of all these mirrors I think I can make a matching pair. Just want to see if I can remove the mirror without cracking the glass.

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Posted 14 March 2015 - 11:05 AM

So I sent back 1 of my Rally Clock's and Oscillator boxes to Ron along with 4 standard Jeco clocks. 1 Rally Clock for some reason has stopped working. The other Oscillator was running a little slow, loosing about 5 mins every hour. So overnight would loose about 30 mins or so.

Ron warned me that sometimes these clocks don't like to be woken up after years or lying dormant. Just another reason the later Calendar clocks are probably a better option for those wanting the same experience but less failure points.

Anyway the plan is to refurbish the standard clocks.
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But 1 thing I found was this:

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Note: The serial numbers on the back?

Reskinned dash 71  = 1061J
72 240z (my red 240z in Melbourne) = 1121J
HS30 00150 = 0096
Rough Dashboard (got this free) = Unknown - was already wrapped up. I suspect it was a 71 240z because the temp gauge delimiters are what I see on early cars.

I asked Ron, it seems these numbers were internal to Jeco only, they don't seem to have any significant meaning outside of that. But I figure if it's documented here maybe 1 day we'll figure it out?

So I'm in 2 minds about the clock for HS30 00150, on the 1 hand I'm thinking I'll preserve the original motor mechanism and refurbish it, I also would kind of like to preserve the original code stamped on the back. Mainly because it's part of the car and part's history, all those years ago it was stamped. On the other hand it won't be seen and it's better to have it working than restored to original and failing again in the future?

The other thing is for the most part I'll be running the Rally Clock anyway.. So perhaps over thinking it?

I've gone from Rat Rod build to meticulous preservation of early 240z.  :-X ::) - yeah I know...

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Posted 15 March 2015 - 04:53 PM

How much does it cost to rebuild a standard Jeco clock Gav. I'm sure he'd never run out of Z clocks to rebuild because they always stop working lol ;D

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Posted 15 March 2015 - 06:07 PM

How much does it cost to rebuild a standard Jeco clock Gav. I'm sure he'd never run out of Z clocks to rebuild because they always stop working lol ;D


Don't know yet, depends if you send a good core. All of mine have some imperfection (except for the HS30 00150 clock), in that the bezels are cracked from hamfisted owners, the glass is broken in some way, internally rusted (the donor dash I got from sitting in weather) etc.. So I guess it will depend on work required. If you replace the mechanism with a Quartz movement, it should be far more reliable than the original design which was subject to dust / dirt / contamination (in the automotive environment) and which is what kills them.

I plan to restore all 4 clocks and offer 2 for sale on an exchange / core charge basis with owners. Since I have a surplus I figure why not?

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Posted 16 March 2015 - 06:58 AM

Good idea Gav, keep us posted. Are you converting the clocks to a quartz movement or keeping them original? I suspect I may require his services some time in the future, where is zclocks based?

Cheers

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Posted 16 March 2015 - 10:31 AM

Good idea Gav, keep us posted. Are you converting the clocks to a quartz movement or keeping them original? I suspect I may require his services some time in the future, where is zclocks based?

Cheers


I'm definitely converting 3 of them to Quartz movement, the 4th from HS30 00150 I'm not sure about yet. I might keep it original and failure prone ;). Ron is located in California (just outside of LA).

However if you have a 260z (74 model excluded) your clock might be different to the earlier JECO clocks. We have a repair guide in the interior section of the forum for 260z clocks.

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Posted 01 April 2015 - 12:50 PM

So a small update on HS30 00150 clock.

What usually stops a 240z clock (apart from owners tampering with them trying to get them to work) is grease and grime that builds up on the clock motor gears. In an automotive environment there seems to be lots of dust which unfortunately is what seems to have killed my clocks.

You may recall that I decided to keep HS30 00150's clock original rather than replace the mechanism with a QUARTZ movement, I did this for posterity but also because I plan to run the Rally Clock most of the time and keep the original clock as a just in case...

I originally opened the clock for my 72 240z to have a sticky beak, but didn't see anything obvious. Well Ron showed me that under a microscope you can see a whole lot more. I figured I'd share them here for anyone who wants to attempt to fix their clock.

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It only takes a very small amount of contaminants to stop the clock as you can see.

This is what he told me about the clock after cleaning it up.


OEM clock, 00150
I think you should gold plate this clock and keep it on your shelf!

Since it was cleaned and adjusted it has been is running as good as my
shop quartz clock. I put the mechanism on the test bench while working on
all of it's other parts and after 4 days it was installed in the OEM
housing. It is now completed and keeping perfect time.

I don't think I have ever seen a 240 clock keep this level of accuracy.


I was a bit unsure about keeping it original internally as opposed to going QUARTZ movement, but now that he told me that I'm glad I kept it original. Out of all 4 clocks I had, this clock looked like the only 1 that hadn't been handled in a ham-fisted manner, in fact I don't think it had ever been removed from the dashboard until I got my grubby hands on it.

To fix your 240z clock (if you're game to try), try using isopropyl alcohol to clean the gear assembly and remove all traces of previous contaminants, Ron tells me he uses a marine grade grease/lubricant on certain areas of the clock assembly.

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Posted 01 April 2015 - 10:07 PM

so how i interpret that is:

Spray the crap out of it with brake cleaner then blast it with the air gun! (seems legit, brake cleaner has a hundred uses)

Rudolf.

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Posted 28 May 2015 - 11:37 AM

Co-incedentally I found & ordered a calendar clock for my "late-girl" 260z last week. Much more affordable than those two knob jobs! Must learn how to search the Japanese sites.

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I don't know if you've spent time restoring this already? But the feedback I've had from Ron regarding the Niles clock is that they are not the best.

This is what he basically said.

I forgot to mention that the later calendar clock made by NILES, the one that had the green numbers, is one you might steer away from.
We didn't have the NILES clock in the US cars and were imports only. The only ones i've see were from Canada and AU. I've only worked on 3 and 1 was hopeless. The clock is very hard to work on and there are three parts that are no longer available, no substitutes, and were unique to NILES only.

It is a quartz clock that is has everything in the clock and a motor that runs 24/7. The other problem is the clock motor is very noisy.


In my opinion the best clock in terms of reliability and price is the Calendar Clock. Very quiet and no failure prone oscillator. I also prefer the look of the earlier clocks to the later Niles unit. I've seen the Niles ones cheap on Yahoo! Auctions and was tempted to buy 1, but not anymore ;).

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Posted 28 May 2015 - 07:50 PM

I did get Ron to restore mine and it's in the car. After fitting it to the car, it ran fast for about half a day and then kept good time.

It's fluctuating now because my battery is 7 years old and I basically charge it the day before I plan to drive it, just too busy to get a new one. (Hence flat battery at Rudi's wedding)  ;D

Whether the Niles clock is any good didn't matter to me because my Zed, being a late model needed this particular model to match the numbers font with the rest of my gauges.

Here's a pic of my clock after the resto, love it:

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I don't know if you've spent time restoring this already? But the feedback I've had from Ron regarding the Niles clock is that they are not the best.

This is what he basically said.

In my opinion the best clock in terms of reliability and price is the Calendar Clock. Very quiet and no failure prone oscillator. I also prefer the look of the earlier clocks to the later Niles unit. I've seen the Niles ones cheap on Yahoo! Auctions and was tempted to buy 1, but not anymore ;).



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Posted 28 May 2015 - 07:54 PM

Fair enough Ron did an awesome job and it looks great!

Is it loud?

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Posted 28 May 2015 - 08:02 PM

All I can hear are my triple 45's  ;)



Fair enough Ron did an awesome job and it looks great!

Is it loud?



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Posted 28 May 2015 - 08:15 PM

It's fluctuating now because my battery is 7 years old and I basically charge it the day before I plan to drive it, just too busy to get a new one. (Hence flat battery at Rudi's wedding)  ;D


Hi Mike

Grab a battery saver - it may not solve the old battery problem, but it ensurs that your battery is always charged and will last much longer than if just left sitting. I use them on my bikes 10/10 

http://www.superchea...Recommendations

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Posted 17 July 2015 - 06:19 PM

4. Ok, so I got a couple of spoilers for the car also a couple of weeks back.
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Very much a period piece, it was used on the Works racers back in the day.
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According to this page.
http://jdm-car-parts...atsun-240z-260z

Back in early 70s', Nissan offered this type spoiler only to NISMO authorized racing teams and shops in Japan.

I don't know how true this is, sadly I sold my 1 to someone who desperately wanted it thinking I'd find another. But as of yet, not found another. Well until now :).

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Posted 17 July 2015 - 06:43 PM

I quite like that spoiler

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Posted 17 July 2015 - 07:31 PM

I sold mine to Dale, perhaps you could make a mould from that?




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