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#1 dat2kman

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Posted 16 August 2013 - 09:01 PM

Lurch has put up a vid on youtube, only cos numpty boy here is a bit unable to edit stuff and has little knowledge of upload stuff
Youtube search under user Lurcher260
Titled
PI crash 2012 Historics or some such name or whatever

Someone embed or link!

#2 Mr Camouflage

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Posted 16 August 2013 - 09:15 PM

Note, edited

Outside views:



and from the other side of the track




dat2kman 280Z in car camera ("effin corvette")


And in car footage in order of cars following:

White Porsche "Where's the effin yellow flags ya F@#%"
(you can tell its a porsche by the expensive GPS lap monitoring in car camera gizmo) :

( not the same race, but he wasn't having a good day: )


Alfa in car camera


Another alfa Car #6


Yet Another Alfa in car camera (from even further back)




#3 dat2kman

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Posted 16 August 2013 - 09:38 PM

Found these:



and from the other side of the track


They're the two from outside,

There is a third one from my incar camera.
Here,



( my smart daughter just worked out how to do this link thing, these young'uns, amazing !)


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Posted 16 August 2013 - 11:32 PM

You actual incar footage shows that you would have had no idea of how bad it actually was!
Love your last comment too. Classic!

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Posted 17 August 2013 - 09:50 AM

damn....

well, if your not prepared to crash your car, dont put it on a track, that said though, allways a shame to see a nice car wrecked.
That white corvette, to me it seemed that there was a lot of tyre smoke on each corner he took?
Too much power? driver trying to smoke it every corner? crappy (or cold) tyres? or just plain bad luck?

How did your car come up? sorta looked like you had a bit of contact there too.

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Posted 17 August 2013 - 09:53 AM

That wasn't tyre smoke that was the power smoke getting out of the motor, a bit like when the smoke get out of electrics. It was dumping a fair bit of oil all around the track.

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Posted 17 August 2013 - 09:57 AM

serious? chev engines dont leak oil :P
Well, perhaps the leaking oil was possibly a factor in his loss of traction.
Eitherway, no point in armchair speculation, it never really gets anywhere.

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Posted 17 August 2013 - 10:29 AM

As per Jason's original post on this, the Chev spun on his own oil, clipped the Porsche which hit Jason and then he bounced back into the Chev and then tried some acrobatics, basically a nasty incident that luckily everyone walked away from.

But yeah, want to go racing, be prepared to have your car end up a steaming pile of scrap on the side of the track. I've had this happen twice now through no fault of my own. First was my Turner Sports 1300, broke a suspension link in the front left at about 200km/h going up Bitupave hill at Amaroo, one written off car, got $12 scrap for the body, salvaged some other bits and pieces and gave the chassis away to see it resurrected about five years later it was that bent and broken.

Second one was helped into the fence at Lakeside, no more Zed, but I could quote one of the coolest movie lines ever, "Zeds dead baby, Zeds dead"

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Posted 17 August 2013 - 11:12 AM

...at about 200km/h going up Bitupave hill at Amaroo, one written off car, ...


A bit of paint off the fibreglass going up Bitipave, no big deal... Been there, done that.


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Posted 17 August 2013 - 05:21 PM

Feck!!!! I thought my effort was good........


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Posted 17 August 2013 - 10:16 PM

That's some pretty bad understeer, Pete.

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Posted 18 August 2013 - 06:44 PM

Seeing that I'm not a proper racer could someone help and explain the following opening lap things I noticed? Turn 1, no inside pass attempt by the 280Z on the Corvette? What sounded like a big downshift crunch at 1.08? And the open door for the red Porker at that corner?

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Posted 18 August 2013 - 10:54 PM

Corvette 350 cubic inch vs Z 2.8 litre, Z does well just staying with the cubic inch brigade,
Note lighter Pantera's pull away, just, better traction.
Downshift noise = worn 2nd syncchro, meh.
Red Porkerinto turn 4 , Honda, more rim width and rubber, better brakes, Z does well to sit on arse of Porker after.

Note also, 48 car field, Z off grid start in around 9 th outright, with quite a few Porkers just behind, along with a number of Alfa's and the red Ginetta 289 CI that bogged at the start.

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Posted 19 August 2013 - 02:35 PM

Downshift noise = worn 2nd syncchro, meh.


Standard Zed gearbox, I thought 2nd gear synchros were all buggered before they left the factory. Easiest fix, big rev on the downshift and change gears slowly.....

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Posted 20 August 2013 - 07:06 AM

Just saw Luvemfast's comment in the comments box on the youtube vid!
Yes, i must learn to curb my cloourfull, at times language!

I had no idea the Porker was doing multiple flips, as i was going backwards on the grass, it was playing ballerina right behind me.
My expletive was one of realisation that i may have to start next race from rear of grid, but no, it was a "cancelled" event, and prior grid pisitions stood.

Thanks to the help from Lurch, Peter Mc and my bikini girls, ( yes, i have them, dont all race drivers ! ), i got through the weekend.
Lurch, whilst up here recently waved his fingers of the damage to the front right corner on the car, all good now, except we got the paint colour "slightly" wrong !!
Ah well, it is just race car!

Now, who of you lot are gonna buy a cracking good Z off me??

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Posted 20 August 2013 - 09:02 AM

Seeing that I'm not a proper racer could someone help and explain the following opening lap things I noticed? Turn 1, no inside pass attempt by the 280Z on the Corvette? What sounded like a big downshift crunch at 1.08? And the open door for the red Porker at that corner?


No pass at turn 1 because high risk low reward as you are then on the outside and in the shit for turn 2.

gear crunch at 1:08, as Jason said, standard rooted synchros, the engine copped a fair buzz on the down shift. Only easy long term fix is be a little slower on down changes into 2nd, new synchros will be stuffed in a few events.

Open door at Honda - better line through the corner to be on left side at approach, but Porker had better brakes and could run down the right hand side, also good etiquette when in a corner that far not to close the door, this wasn't super taxis, and give each other room. Power being equal, Jason would have been on the better side of the track for the run up to hayshed.

So when are we seeing the luxo barge playing at QR with prod sports. There is a one hour enduro coming up if you want to see how really good you are.....

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Posted 20 August 2013 - 09:30 AM


Now, who of you lot are gonna buy a cracking good Z off me??



I was going to, but now the paint doesn't match...

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Posted 20 August 2013 - 09:39 AM

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I was going to, but now the paint doesn't match...

If we had a "like" button here,
I would have hit it!

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Posted 20 August 2013 - 06:42 PM

No pass at turn 1 because high risk low reward as you are then on the outside and in the shiver for turn 2.

gear crunch at 1:08, as Jason said, standard rooted synchros, the engine copped a fair buzz on the down shift. Only easy long term fix is be a little slower on down changes into 2nd, new synchros will be stuffed in a few events.

Open door at Honda - better line through the corner to be on left side at approach, but Porker had better brakes and could run down the right hand side, also good etiquette when in a corner that far not to close the door, this wasn't super taxis, and give each other room. Power being equal, Jason would have been on the better side of the track for the run up to hayshed.

So when are we seeing the luxo barge playing at QR with prod sports. There is a one hour enduro coming up if you want to see how really good you are.....


Maybe gentlemen's 'racing' would not suit my temperament but, and of course it's easy to say, I would hope to have had a go at the Corvette at turn 1 and not just let the Porker pass without a bit of resistance. What is the point of racing if it's just a 'follow the leader' thing? Even in sprints I hate just following someone.

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Posted 20 August 2013 - 06:58 PM

First lap of a 10 lap race you don't need to be taking unnecessary risks in the first corner, tyres still cold, brakes not fully warm yet, very high risk for low reward and on Phillip Island, not the place to be sticking your nose in.

If it was into turn one at Winton or into the Karasel, different matter, then I would have a go at shot down the inside, but no need to bash panels like the taxis do, whilst some have dollars the majority of racers are on a shoe string budget, hence me taking so long to build my car.

Racecraft takes a while to learn, as does knowing the opposition and also being able to trust the other drivers not to take you out. I used to race against a guy who drove a MG Midget back in NSW. In 3 seasons of racing we only touched once, and most races we were no more than a couple of car lengths apart, the track commentators used to talk a lot about us with the racing we could put on. We got to know our driving styles, strengths and weaknesses pretty well and knew where to have a go and where to sit back so as not to upset each others cars which could get expensive at places like Amaroo, which had less run off than Lakeside, plus a solid rock wall you approached head on at about 140-150km/h with a right hand 90 degree turn at the appropriately named stop go. If you had a brake fail it hurt....




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