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Posted 23 February 2013 - 09:40 PM

Three cars from the Z Car Club Q are going so far, we are working on it  :)

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 07:11 PM

CAMS entry form to be in by 11 March, don't miss this blokes. Note that you have to nominate for the slow, medium or fast group and estimate an expected PI lap time, hmmmm. At the moment no clue, how many in each group and what's a reasonable time for a visitor with a car faster than his talent?

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Posted 15 March 2013 - 05:44 PM

Starting to get excited :D Apparently the Ramada still has vacancies and is offering a discount for us Datnat blokes. Handy, that is were the welcoming Friday evening BBQ is being held too. Have not driven the Z in anger for six months so PI should get the circulation going, looking forward to shifting into fifth gear and seeing the scenary roll by :)

Oh, and I have to mention at the Sunday evening do that our Z Car Club Q Inc plans to hold the 2015 Datnats at Warwick, centered at the Morgan Park circuit. All we have to do now is decide to use the kickarse H circuit which you southerners would love, bloody fast, like Lakeside without the lurking armco.

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Posted 15 March 2013 - 06:10 PM

Isn't the Nats every 3 years?
So would be 2016 ???

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Posted 15 March 2013 - 09:36 PM

No it's every two years Simon.
You must come up for it!

Richard, you'll only be in fifth gear for about  12 seconds out of the approx 120 seconds per lap.

No doubt the ZCCQ will be trying to get approval for the H track, for some readon, CAMS dont like it being used, due to the higher terminal speed into new extension, so they generally turn right into the old esses..

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Posted 16 March 2013 - 10:31 AM

Hi All, Morgan Park has been booked for 2015, and the Campbells are going to try and help us (ZCCQ), as QPDC and SAU qld don't look like they will be on board but hopefully that will change.

Which tracks to be used it way to early to say, currently we look like having a 2 day event with friday practice, there are a few possibilities we are looking at maybe a 2 day sprint event, or a 1 day sprint event and a 1 day team regularity relay,  there are a few members of ZCCQ who are very keen to organise the relay so hopefully it might happen and certainly something diffrent for a NDN and hoping to get the 1/8 mile drag strip for the Saturday night.

It is over 2 years away so lots of planning and prep to do. More information will of course be posted in the coming months years. Lets not detract from NDN13, we have time for discussion in the coming months/years

In the mean time to all those travelling to PI have a safe and enjoyable time! Best wishes to NDSOC for the smooth running and success for NDN13 thanks for all of your efforts.
Cheers
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Posted 03 April 2013 - 04:17 PM

A bit of incar PI sprints video, camera kept stopping so this is about it 

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 04:29 PM

Hi All, Morgan Park has been booked for 2015, and the Campbells are going to try and help us (ZCCQ), as QPDC and SAU qld don't look like they will be on board but hopefully that will change.


I wonder why Dave... ::)

A bit of incar PI sprints video, camera kept stopping so this is about it 


:o
Fvck I hope that was a warm up lap, Dickie!

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 06:05 PM

Oh jebus Locky, dont start him, re MP in 2015 !
The other clubs would get involved and assist but they also want a say, and a share of the spoils!
The way NDSOC run their events is admirable.
It'd be great to even come close to replicating that!

Oh and Richo, Natsoft had your fadtest at 2.04, surely that cant ge right, and apI being the best fifth gear circuit in the country, crikey, even a atmo old plain standard Z does 1.54's
We'll have to drag you down there again for a six hour event!

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 06:35 PM

Green flag = end of first lap  :)

Actually for a Nationals I support the use of Morgan Park. The main problem I have is the use of the comfort zone circuits with the suburban street type corners and not the real race circuits where speed is involved. My understanding is that most of the visitors would prefer the faster options too.

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 07:29 PM

Green flag = end of first lap  :)

Actually for a Nationals I support the use of Morgan Park. The main problem I have is the use of the comfort zone circuits with the suburban street type corners and not the real race circuits where speed is involved. My understanding is that most of the visitors would prefer the faster options too.

Comfort zone?
It was noted your lack of gloves or a HANS device at PI, yes for a club level lapdash, not required, yet!
For the circuit i am sure you are reffering to at Map, ie after bridge TR, then SO ( road on right) follow main road, may invoke a CAMS requirement in regards to higher driver attire standards and persinal safety eqipment.

The so called "comfort zone" you refer to, ie the NDN 2009 2.1 km circuit, seemed to get plenty of positive feedback, if the new extension was added, ie the full perimeter layout, this will most certainly satisfy the "fifth gear" speed freaks, and still keep it relatively safe.
Unless WDSCC has changed their stance, TR under bridge then SO wont be permitted due to the much higher terminal speeds going into the extension.
It's a safety thing.

Imagine this, you are at Lakeside through the kink, about to hit brakes fir Karrousell, and your front tie rod breaks, are you safe, in your current lapdash attire?
Stay tuned to Tetley, announcements soon about personal safety equipment being made available, at a Tetley price!

But wasn't PI great!!!

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 07:45 PM

The MP circuit you mention Jason has been run before, I was there spectating and it was great. Bill Campbell seems quite keen on using it but I get the impression that it 'does not suit' a lot of the MP regulars, not sure why.

PI was great, it's so wide and fast, love every sweep and corner. Would like to go again but not for a bloody regularity :)

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 09:01 PM

Ok, lets get you licensed up, it's not hard, and later in year is Island Magic!
3 days of racing,
You'd be in with the Open Spirts Cars class,, ( john mckeon has run there, plenty of the mx5's and PSRCA boys)
but you'd need to hustle along, as they could run the 125% rule.

Or just buy a group S car, go drum brake racing!
3days next March!

I dont think its a WDSCC issue, it is a cams permit issue
Bill has run the TR after bridge, ther TR into Esses, quite a few times now. Sprints and HRCC practice stuff.


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Posted 04 April 2013 - 06:33 AM

I get the impression that it 'does not suit' a lot of the MP regulars, not sure why.


Not trying to start an argument and not that I'm a MP regular, but am a Wakefield Park regular which perhaps is the closest comparison we have in NSW.

Anyway, the reason I like Wakefield Park and liked the MP track that was run at the nats in 2007, and like the new, shorter, tighter South Circuit at Eastern Creek is that for some of us (ie those without big-hp engines) these tracks can be more challenging than places like the GP circuit at Eastern Creek, PI, even Mt Panorama. As much as I hate to admit it, for me (only 100hp) at PI, coming around from MG, onto the main straight and down thru the first corner are all flat out, foot-to-the-floor stuff. I don't lift off at all from MG until turn 2. Yeah, the speed is nice (I can get to 180k's on a good lap  ::)  ), but to be honest, the skill level required isn't as high for this part of the circuit - my limiting factor as far as speed at the end of the straight is how much momentum I can carry through MG.

Basically, the shorter, tighter circuits give me more of a challenge than the longer, faster circuits. Perhaps that is the "why" in your question - the reason each driver prefers a particular circuit may be down to their car of choice. Less powerful car, you get your jollies by stringing together a perfect run through lower speed corners by utliising your skill and the cars handling (becasue handling is all you've got...). High powered cars, you prefer a circuit where you can unleash those horsepower.

Would like to go again but not for a bloody regularity :)


Not sure why the hate for regularity either - as an example (and again, not having a dig), you've still got 14 seconds improvement before there is any sort of limit on you / your car in the PI 6 hour, for instance (with their 1:50 cutoff lap time). Just because its regularity, doesn't mean you have to go slow - just ask Lee Faulkner  ;D

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 08:04 AM

No problems Dave, I can see your point about circuit choice and it's entirely valid, your previous comments about Lakeside come to mind too. To be fair to all though I think that a the best circuit for a Nationals is one that has something for everyone and I believe that the circuit Jason and I have in mind does that. The other thing is that to me a race circuit should have at least some of the characteristics of the world class circuits which includes fast, flowing and high speed challenging parts. Otherwise what is it? Some sort of enlarged gokart track?

On regularities, I hope to do one at Bathurst next year just to experience that track so I am not totally against them. It's more the time thing, a few laps at a time does me, driving round and round for more than that becomes boring as you slow down to preserve the car.

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 10:45 AM

Not trying to start an argument and not that I'm a MP regular, but am a Wakefield Park regular which perhaps is the closest comparison we have in NSW.

Anyway, the reason I like Wakefield Park and liked the MP track that was run at the nats in 2007, and like the new, shorter, tighter South Circuit at Eastern Creek is that for some of us (ie those without big-hp engines) these tracks can be more challenging than places like the GP circuit at Eastern Creek, PI, even Mt Panorama. As much as I hate to admit it, for me (only 100hp) at PI, coming around from MG, onto the main straight and down thru the first corner are all flat out, foot-to-the-floor stuff. I don't lift off at all from MG until turn 2. Yeah, the speed is nice (I can get to 180k's on a good lap  ::)  ), but to be honest, the skill level required isn't as high for this part of the circuit - my limiting factor as far as speed at the end of the straight is how much momentum I can carry through MG.

Basically, the shorter, tighter circuits give me more of a challenge than the longer, faster circuits. Perhaps that is the "why" in your question - the reason each driver prefers a particular circuit may be down to their car of choice. Less powerful car, you get your jollies by stringing together a perfect run through lower speed corners by utliising your skill and the cars handling (becasue handling is all you've got...). High powered cars, you prefer a circuit where you can unleash those horsepower.

Not sure why the hate for regularity either - as an example (and again, not having a dig), you've still got 14 seconds improvement before there is any sort of limit on you / your car in the PI 6 hour, for instance (with their 1:50 cutoff lap time). Just because its regularity, doesn't mean you have to go slow - just ask Lee Faulkner  ;D


Hi Dave,
Must say you have much bigger balls then me because I must confess that I was lifting off at the end of the PI straight and coasting around corner 1 as my car felt very unstable coming into that corner, but I did enjoy the back part of the circuit greatly. I also agree with your comment about regularity, for me at PI and also at Mount Panorama in 2010 doing a regularity event at both venues with 50+ other competitors on the track with some at PI aiming for sub 2 second laps it was the closest thing to real door to door racing, without being "racing". At Mount Panorama even with the 3 speed auto still fitted my car was reaching 200k coming down Conrod Straight before I started lifting off, that was fast enough for me without a roll cage. I thought the 6 hour team event at PI was excellent, but it was a shame that half way through the rain started to bucket down. Also we ran it with each team member having around 10+ minutes session before handing over to the next team member. Bloody Lee earned our team a 10 lap penalty even before the event started by going under 1:50 during practice.

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 06:26 PM

Ok, lets get you licensed up, it's not hard, and later in year is Island Magic!
3 days of racing,
You'd be in with the Open Spirts Cars class,, ( john mckeon has run there, plenty of the mx5's and PSRCA boys)
but you'd need to hustle along, as they could run the 125% rule.

Or just buy a group S car, go drum brake racing!
3days next March!

I dont think its a WDSCC issue, it is a cams permit issue
Bill has run the TR after bridge, ther TR into Esses, quite a few times now. Sprints and HRCC practice stuff.


Unfortunately Richard's car doesn't comply with 2B rules because of the vg motor. To comply an L series engine would have to go back into the car. And yes, with the gt cars competing the 130% rules is used and to qualify you need to be under 2 minutes unless you get special dispensation, and being a p player newbie doesn't count, you would have to prove that you and your car regularly go round well within the 130% time limit.

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 06:54 PM

Hi Dave,
Must say you have much bigger balls then me because I must confess that I was lifting off at the end of the PI straight and coasting around corner 1 ..........my car was reaching 200k coming down Conrod Straight before I started lifting off


Don't know about ball size, I'd say its more speed-related - mine would only reach 180 down Conrod Straight, same (or maybe a touch less) down the straight at PI. I hit pretty much top speed around the Start / Finish line at PI,  it just won't go any faster  :(

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 07:08 PM

Unfortunately Richard's car doesn't comply with 2B rules because of the vg motor. To comply an L series engine would have to go back into the car. And yes, with the gt cars competing the 130% rules is used and to qualify you need to be under 2 minutes unless you get special dispensation, and being a p player newbie doesn't count, you would have to prove that you and your car regularly go round well within the 130% time limit.


Get several VG motors for one hot L series after having a chat with Peter Mac from Collins engines at the Nats  :o Living in Vic would help too.

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Posted 07 April 2013 - 08:42 AM

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