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260z 2+2 v 280zx 2+2 AU cars
« on: June 12, 2012, 08:24:18 PM »
Just interested in what people think about these two models in automatic form. I'm comparing a 77 260z 2+2 with an 82/83 280zx. Which car would you prefer to own, maybe use semi daily. Which car has better performance overall.
At present the way I see it, the 82/83 280zx drives  better than a 79-81 280zx.
With the 260z 2+2 the pre 76 model should perform better than the later 77-77 models.

Advantages of the 280zx should be all to do with comfort features including fuel injection, electric options and refinement along with disc brakes all round, and faster steering. Disadvantages that many testers highlighted was the shift from sports feel to luxury car feel, and generally down on performance (claimed). Many road tests had a 79 manual doing 0-100 around 11.3secs where the 82 model improved to 10.6secs. Tony Davis has the 280zx listed in his lemon book claiming it to be obese and serene. Prices for these cars range from 4k up to about 11k at the moment. Is the 280zx 2nd last to the first z31 non turbo in terms of being a good sports car. Would a late z31 turbo be a better choice or are these models to riddled with electrical hassles (e.g temp sensor issues)

Advantages of owning a 260z 2+2 relate to having a 1st generation styled car with the sporty car feel. Disadvantages relate to the carb issues, fumes, heavy steering for some people, and often dead AC, along with usual rust issues Performance figures for 0-100 ranges from 9.9 for a manual to 12.2 for an auto. Prices range a lot more, but 8k - 15k seem to be representative of a median price. Is there a big difference in the driving feel of this car to a 2 seater 260z?




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Re: 260z 2+2 v 280zx 2+2 AU cars
« Reply #1 on: June 12, 2012, 08:48:37 PM »
Having owned both of the cars in question (however both in manual) I can say I personally enjoyed the 280ZX more. The presence of air con, higher sound deadening, EFI fuel consumption, power steering, optional electrics and velour interior make it a much more practical and bearable daily. Whilst I did enjoy the 'first gen' styling of the 260z it was still a 2+2 which cops just as much flak as the ZX. I also love turning a car into an exception, where people will say 'I don't normally like *insert car*, but I like yours', so maybe I'm biased :P

I've always wanted to pit my ZX against an S30 of any sort, I can throw it pretty quickly around a corner and I've never ever had any understeer or had the back end become uncontrollable, call me a landbarge, I dare you!

As a daily, I personally wouldn't have a Z car at all as they're 2 door, relatively low and comparatively sad on fuel. The point I'm trying to make is that everyone is different, you just have to weigh all the facts up and choose one that is best for you, no Z car is better than another. One man's trash is another man's treasure!
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Re: 260z 2+2 v 280zx 2+2 AU cars
« Reply #2 on: June 12, 2012, 09:15:34 PM »
Thanks Zac, very interesting account. The evolution of the zed car is something that I've enjoyed following. Usually over a long period of time, cars should get better, with zed cars there has always been this story about the 240z being agile and lean, then becoming obese with the s130 and z31, and then developing some muscle with the z32, then returning back into a sports car again with the z33, however i feel that it perhaps is only one way of looking at things. After owning some of these cars a long time ago and now looking back at them now, I feel that views can change, what may have felt sporty in the past, may now feel rough and unsafe now. Personal preference, as you mention, is a definate factor. For example when I owned a z31 turbo which cost me 8k at time I went and test drove an original immaculate 240z which was for sale for 15k. After driving the 240z and getting back into the z31 the biggest difference was how good the brakes felt on the z31, and off course the comfort and quietness of the car, whereas the 240z styling was what impressed me the most along with the retro dash.

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Re: 260z 2+2 v 280zx 2+2 AU cars
« Reply #3 on: June 13, 2012, 05:20:11 AM »
Don't have much experience with the different Z models but can offer some comments on the evolution of particular models. They tend to start out light and simple and slowly gain feature and thus weight and more weight often equals less performance. The reason for adding more features to each successive model is to entice owners to "Trade Up" to new better featured model.

Have a look at the Celia, in the earlier 70's it was a light, agile and fast sports coupe, then it progressively gained weight and lost its sporting until the 82-83 "Wedge" model and that was a poor car. Then in 1985 the ST162 Celia was again Light, Agile & Fast (albeit front wheel drive) and slowly gained weight etc until it dropped from the line in mid 2000's. All cars in 70's - 80's also had the added burden of trying to cope with increasing pollution controls and it wasn't until the mid 80's and mainstream availability of EFI that things really lept forward at the affordable end of the market.

I see some similarities in the Z range 240 - 260 - 280 - 300 then start again with 350 ?

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Re: 260z 2+2 v 280zx 2+2 AU cars
« Reply #4 on: June 13, 2012, 09:51:10 AM »
i own a 1977 260z 2+2 it has not too bad fuel economy and also factory air con, it is by far not a slug it is quicker then the 280zx and most commonhores upto the intro of the 5.7L, i also own a 1981 280zx and a 1989 300zx twin turbo, for a daily driver i would go the 280zx its not as slow as most people think but injection can be a problem trust me im going through it at the moment. all three cars i have used as daily drivers and my favourite car is my 260z but the most comfortable and still gets plenty of looks is the 280zx. as for the comment about the 300zx not being sporty drive a 350z and then tell me which one is faster handles better and looks better it aint the 350z

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Re: 260z 2+2 v 280zx 2+2 AU cars
« Reply #5 on: June 13, 2012, 12:18:30 PM »
Thanks Pauly, by the way did your 260z have any fume problems and how was it rust wise. Also with the 280zx, does it feel more agile than the 260z due to the power steering and is there a definate difference/improvement with the performance of the 4 wheel disk brakes on the 280zx. Having owned 2 280zx's a long time ago the main injection problems I encountered were with the car stalling but no leaks. On the z31 300zx' I had injector leaks but this occurred only after I had the car for 8 years and put 250k's on the clock. Replacing them was not a cheap operation. Anyway would like to hear from more people that have owned these cars and their experiences. Cheers

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Re: 260z 2+2 v 280zx 2+2 AU cars
« Reply #6 on: June 13, 2012, 01:21:49 PM »
I can remember about 15 years ago at Winton.
Dad was driving our 260Z (2 seater) and having fun with a 280ZX (2+2). He struggled to pass it. Mum was driving our 260Z 2+2, and was slower.
Late in the day. I was driving the 2 seater, dad in the 2+2. The 2 seater was quicker than the 2+2 on the straights.

So......
280ZX 2+2 & 260Z  2 seater = similar speeds.
260Z 2 seater = faster than 260Z 2+2
therefore-
280ZX 2+2 = faster than 260Z 2+2
However, drivers can make a difference of course  ;D

I loved driving my 260Z 2 seater.
I learnt to drive in a 260Z 2+2.
But I think my fav is my 280ZX  ;)  Albeit 2 seater.
Dad has a 280ZX 2+2 project now. When he finishes travelling the countryside and stops spending my inheritance. I can give you my thoughts on that car. I dare say, it will also be a weapon. (he needs to start a build thread)

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Re: 260z 2+2 v 280zx 2+2 AU cars
« Reply #7 on: June 13, 2012, 03:38:42 PM »
Thanks Simon, interesting post, most appreciated. great to be able to compare these cars like that. For quite a while I've wondered about getting a 280zx 2 seater turbo from USA but the costs of getting it here and compliance as well as site unseen make it a risky one along with LHD issues.
Interesting that the 280zx 2+2 came in quicker than the 260z 2+2, but no surprizes that the coupe felt quickest. Anybody else have a take on this?

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Re: 260z 2+2 v 280zx 2+2 AU cars
« Reply #8 on: June 13, 2012, 03:46:33 PM »
i have the opposite opinion my 260z 2+2 is faster then the 280zx it could be due to having a L28 in it though, as for being more nimble the 260z 2+2 is more nimble when you finaly renue worn bushes as for speed wise i got a max speed down the back stetch of winton my 260z got to a top of 175-180 km/h and my twin turbo 300zx got a top of 190km/h so realisticly it just depends if you want a sports car or a sports tourer personaly i would go a 280zx for daily but i much prefer the balls out crazy road handling of the 260z.
almost forgot brakes, 280zx are heaps better then standed 260z brakes but this can be changed with a hilux caliper upgrade

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Re: 260z 2+2 v 280zx 2+2 AU cars
« Reply #9 on: June 13, 2012, 03:56:50 PM »
Just interested in what people think about these two models in automatic form. I'm comparing a 77 260z 2+2 with an 82/83 280zx. Which car would you prefer to own, maybe use semi daily. Which car has better performance overall.
At present the way I see it, the 82/83 280zx drives  better than a 79-81 280zx.
With the 260z 2+2 the pre 76 model should perform better than the later 77-77 models.

Advantages of the 280zx should be all to do with comfort features including fuel injection, electric options and refinement along with disc brakes all round, and faster steering. Disadvantages that many testers highlighted was the shift from sports feel to luxury car feel, and generally down on performance (claimed). Many road tests had a 79 manual doing 0-100 around 11.3secs where the 82 model improved to 10.6secs. Tony Davis has the 280zx listed in his lemon book claiming it to be obese and serene. Prices for these cars range from 4k up to about 11k at the moment. Is the 280zx 2nd last to the first z31 non turbo in terms of being a good sports car. Would a late z31 turbo be a better choice or are these models to riddled with electrical hassles (e.g temp sensor issues)

Advantages of owning a 260z 2+2 relate to having a 1st generation styled car with the sporty car feel. Disadvantages relate to the carb issues, fumes, heavy steering for some people, and often dead AC, along with usual rust issues Performance figures for 0-100 ranges from 9.9 for a manual to 12.2 for an auto. Prices range a lot more, but 8k - 15k seem to be representative of a median price. Is there a big difference in the driving feel of this car to a 2 seater 260z?

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Re: 260z 2+2 v 280zx 2+2 AU cars
« Reply #10 on: June 13, 2012, 05:15:57 PM »
Good point Pauly.
Our 260Z 2 seater had a fresh L26, twin SU's, genie extractors and 2.25" exhaust.
The 260Z 2+2 had a tired L26, flat tops, extractors and 2.25" exhaust.
Can't speak about what was in the 280ZX as it wasn't ours. But my guess was pretty stock.

So a 260Z 2+2 with an L28 will have more pace than a stock 280ZX.
But as stated, ZX has better stock brakes.

What hasn't been mentioned is the ZX's superior coefficient of friction (aero) and the better balance (50/50).

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« Reply #11 on: June 13, 2012, 06:27:44 PM »
the weight distribution between the 260z 2+2 and 280zx 2+2 is very minimal but as for top speed the 280zx has that one due to aerodynamics a fellow i no use to race datsuns in south africa and he ended up with a 280zx over a 240z, 260z 2+2, 1600, c210 due to the extra 10km/h he could get out of it and he used the same diff engine and gearbox in the z cars and the skyline.

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Re: 260z 2+2 v 280zx 2+2 AU cars
« Reply #11 on: June 13, 2012, 06:27:44 PM »