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What's a clean Z432 worth in Australia?
« on: May 27, 2012, 05:40:34 PM »
Are there any here in Aus? Is this a more significant collectors car on the world market than say a 1970s Falcon GT?
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Re: What's a clean Z432 worth in Australia?
« Reply #1 on: May 27, 2012, 05:57:10 PM »
Awesome question. I would take a z432 any day
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Re: What's a clean Z432 worth in Australia?
« Reply #2 on: May 27, 2012, 06:00:34 PM »
Closest I've come to a 432Z is holding the 432 badge! haha
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Re: What's a clean Z432 worth in Australia?
« Reply #3 on: May 27, 2012, 06:05:56 PM »
im no expert on this, but i would wager that if you have a clean genuine example of a 432, it'd be worth more in japan after you imported it back.
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Re: What's a clean Z432 worth in Australia?
« Reply #4 on: May 27, 2012, 06:36:57 PM »
For the last 10 years I have agreed that classic Japanese cars are more valuable in Japan than Aus, but I think  Aussies are starting to understand the value of these cars more than ever now.

A new generation has grown up with imported Jap performance cars. The cult of the GT-R is alive and well with Bathurst heritage. The prices of good zeds are strong here now. They were the best selling sports car in the USA in the early 70s eclipsing all US muscle car sales...

Japanese prices that looked so stupid 5-15 years ago have been stagnant with their economy. The prices don't seem so silly to me now.

A tired Toyota 2000GT in need of total restoration made $226,000 at Bonhams auction in Aus 2 years ago...

So what would a good Z432 be worth here???

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Re: What's a clean Z432 worth in Australia?
« Reply #5 on: May 27, 2012, 06:59:08 PM »
Surely it would have to be $100k plus depending on condition and after all the fees and taxes to get it shipped over. I've never heard of one in Oz although i think EKW sold an S20 engine back in the 80's which went over to the UK, maybe HS30-H owns it now???

Heres one in Japan

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Re: What's a clean Z432 worth in Australia?
« Reply #6 on: May 27, 2012, 07:23:04 PM »
Saw the ones at Zama storage facility, got a few pics, couple days later, at a workshop, saw two cylinder heads, took pics as well?
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If i was very enthusiastic, and found an original, that had been raced, with all fia papers and proof, and was able to prove and show it had race history in year 1969 ( not from 1970 onwards, there is a reason for this), i'd be in the 100 to 150 k mark
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Re: What's a clean Z432 worth in Australia?
« Reply #7 on: May 27, 2012, 07:28:13 PM »
I've always wondered what an S20 would sell for on its own. Never been able to see?

Doesn't look like the Z432 has many differences. Exhaust, badges, grille, S1 interior and hatch, doesn't have the S1 C pillars though...?

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Re: What's a clean Z432 worth in Australia?
« Reply #8 on: May 27, 2012, 10:10:55 PM »
If i was very enthusiastic, and found an original, that had been raced, with all fia papers and proof, and was able to prove and show it had race history in year 1969 ( not from 1970 onwards, there is a reason for this), i'd be in the 100 to 150 k mark

I don't understand this post. There were no 432s ( or any other S30-series Zs ) that raced in 1969.

The earliest official race - obviously not including any traffic-light drag racing - was on 18th January 1970. That car was a factory 'works' Fairlady Z432-R ( the super-lightweight bodied version of the 432 ) and it was light years away from a stock 432, let alone an L-series engined car.   

You're very unlikely to find a genuine 432 or 432-R with period race history for sale at any amount of money. There are a few out there ( a handful or less... ), but generally speaking it's not a question of money. With cars like that it's often a case of who you know rather than what you know, or how much coin you've got....

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I've always wondered what an S20 would sell for on its own. Never been able to see?

You'd be looking at something around 1 million to 2.5 million JPY for a rebuildable core in Japan these days, but spare engines are in short supply and S20-engined car owners and S20 specialists tend to sit on them for rainy days. The proper 432 / 432-R type of S20 ( different oil pan & pickup, along with several other detail differences ) are harder to find than C10 or C110 GT-R versions due to numbers made. You need a lot of other 'correct' parts to go with it, too.

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Doesn't look like the Z432 has many differences. Exhaust, badges, grille, S1 interior and hatch, doesn't have the S1 C pillars though...?

There are actually hundreds of differences between an L-series engined Z and an S20-engined Z built in the same period. The factory parts lists are the best places to see the differences. The 432-R is another kettle of fish altogether.

C pillar emblems on all 'early' Japanese market airflow cars ( vented tailgate type ) were all the same, whether Fairlady Z, Fairlady Z-L, Fairlady Z432 or Fairlady Z432-R. It was a flattish, round emblem with a big letter 'Z' in the middle, and it attached to the unvented C pillars with two prongs that were the same as '240Z' emblem on the solid pillared Export market cars.

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Re: What's a clean Z432 worth in Australia?
« Reply #9 on: May 27, 2012, 10:15:28 PM »
By the way, the answer to the original question ( "What's a clean Z432 worth in Australia" ) is the amount it cost to buy in Japan, plus the amount it cost to get it on the road in Australia....   :)

A good, clean ( and 100% genuine - no re-shells! ) PS30-model Fairlady Z432 would likely cost upwards of 5 million JPY at the moment. The better cars can fetch double that privately.

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Re: What's a clean Z432 worth in Australia?
« Reply #10 on: May 28, 2012, 05:50:36 AM »
By the way, the answer to the original question ( "What's a clean Z432 worth in Australia" ) is the amount it cost to buy in Japan, plus the amount it cost to get it on the road in Australia....   :)

A good, clean ( and 100% genuine - no re-shells! ) PS30-model Fairlady Z432 would likely cost upwards of 5 million JPY at the moment. The better cars can fetch double that privately.

Without getting into a pissing competition, for mine a Z432 is worth in Australia what someone is prepared to pay for it. At this stage for one with proven pre'70 race history it looks like that value is up to $150k AUS, so it looks like not enough for someone in Japan to part with theirs.

The reason for Jason to want the 1969 race history is to fall into a better class of historic racing out here where he doesn't have to go up against dubious machines of germanic origin, just big hunks of yankee iron.....and some of britain's finest.

Having said that, a Z432 should go alright in Sc provided you can use the nice big 4 spot brakes and some big rotors. It's just the S20 that could be problematic to keep fettled, especially with the way someone downshifts...... ::)

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Re: What's a clean Z432 worth in Australia?
« Reply #11 on: May 28, 2012, 07:13:32 AM »
Ok this stuff on racing in period, historic class is a little of the original posts topic - so I thought I would start a new thread to get a discussion going on period mods etc as this does interest a number of us - no matter what side of the ditch we live and race on ;)

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Re: What's a clean Z432 worth in Australia?
« Reply #12 on: May 28, 2012, 11:04:48 AM »
actually thinking about this the answer is quite easy.

No one in Aust is prepared to pay the prices that a 432 have gone for in Japan i.e $150K+. Otherwise they would have had one imported over by now.

Can someone start a group buy  thread for the 432 badges : ).

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Re: What's a clean Z432 worth in Australia?
« Reply #13 on: May 28, 2012, 01:11:13 PM »
I agree - just look at S30 prices here compared to Japan. Australian prices are roughly half of what they are in Japan.
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Re: What's a clean Z432 worth in Australia?
« Reply #14 on: May 28, 2012, 02:11:55 PM »
I agree - just look at S30 prices here compared to Japan. Australian prices are roughly half of what they are in Japan.

The price of parts is so much higher too. What cost me $140 for a center console here would have been more than double to get landed from J-land.

Sellers should get a translator and advertise it back to the motherland, would probably get the asking price every time.

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Re: What's a clean Z432 worth in Australia?
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